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Post by bookworm on Nov 24, 2011 21:21:35 GMT -5
I just want to make sure i understand tha grammar of your statements here. Are you saying that nothing is actually supernatural, since those things which we think might be supernatural are actually just things with a natural explanation for them? Yes, that is correct, and that is what I am saying. People just view things as supernatural when everything is very natural. In fact "nature" is just another word or synonym for "God". I'm not sure how you can see nature as being another word for God if you are defining God as some "very vast and intelligent source" that has inspired the Bible. Are you saying that "nature" is intelligent and can inpire a holy book? How can nature be intelligent? Is God a separate entity from the creation (nature) that God has created or not? The Scriptures use all these terms, so I believe they all would be accurate. No you seem to be trying to redefine the word "miracle." If something is "natural" then it cannot truly be a miracle. A miracle is something supernatural, which, by the very definition of the word, means "above nature." If nature has been created by an intelligent source, then that intelligent source would have to exist outside of nature in order to create nature. That intelligent source would have to be truly supernatural (above nature) and not just mistakenly assumed to be supernatural. Harry Potter? Are you serious? Now you are attemting to redefine the word "realistic." How in the world do you see realistic in the Harry Potter stories? The brooms are not some manufactured mechanical flying machines. They are just brooms. And things can fly without brooms in Harry Potter when levitation spells are used. Are you saying that there is a realistic explanation for spells? I absolutely, positively believe that God is a real entity, but I am not willing to limit that existence of God to things which have physical, material characteristics. God created everything that has physical and material characteristics, and His existence is above and beyond those characteristics. When I say that God is supernatural, I am not saying he is less than "real." He created everything around us that we see as reality, and God's existence goes above and beyond our own reality in ways that we as humans are not even capable of imagining. At least that is how the "very vast and intelligent source" who inspired the Bible has described Himself in the Bible He has inspired.
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JP Cusick
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Post by JP Cusick on Nov 26, 2011 11:01:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure how you can see nature as being another word for God if you are defining God as some "very vast and intelligent source" that has inspired the Bible. Are you saying that "nature" is intelligent and can inspire a holy book? How can nature be intelligent? Is God a separate entity from the creation (nature) that God has created or not? It is like viewing nature as like being "Mother-Nature" as in a personality. Or God of Thunder, or Rain God, or Gods of Nature. As in giving personality traits to natural events as like "a violent storm" because it can not be violent unless it has a mentality. So it is not saying that God is the natural event, but that some how the natural event has some supernatural reasoning which gives Nature as an equivalent to God. This is commonly done throughout humanity including in Christianity, as in the last days there are to be earthquakes and wonders... No you seem to be trying to redefine the word "miracle." If something is "natural" then it cannot truly be a miracle. A miracle is something supernatural, which, by the very definition of the word, means "above nature." If nature has been created by an intelligent source, then that intelligent source would have to exist outside of nature in order to create nature. That intelligent source would have to be truly supernatural (above nature) and not just mistakenly assumed to be supernatural. That is all fine with me, as it is just a play on the words. As like many people including myself see child-birth as a miracle, while others call it as a natural event, and both are correct because the nature and the miracle mean the same thing as synonymous in such cases, also the Big Bang and Creation Day are the same thing by different terminologies. Harry Potter? Are you serious? Now you are attempting to redefine the word "realistic." How in the world do you see realistic in the Harry Potter stories? The brooms are not some manufactured mechanical flying machines. They are just brooms. And things can fly without brooms in Harry Potter when levitation spells are used. Are you saying that there is a realistic explanation for spells? If we were to view Harry Potter as a real life story, then we do not know what the brooms are made of, and the brooms could be rocket powered or anti-gravity devices, just as we might see on the Star Trek shows or Star Wars, or even in modern warfare equipment. Science and magic are very similar because science turns magic and miracles into realities. The point is just that Harry Potter shows a logical reasoning for the magic, and people could learn a lot of truth about miracles and about supernatural stuff from the logical examples given in those stories. I absolutely, positively believe that God is a real entity, but I am not willing to limit that existence of God to things which have physical, material characteristics. God created everything that has physical and material characteristics, and His existence is above and beyond those characteristics. When I say that God is supernatural, I am not saying he is less than "real." He created everything around us that we see as reality, and God's existence goes above and beyond our own reality in ways that we as humans are not even capable of imagining. At least that is how the "very vast and intelligent source" who inspired the Bible has described Himself in the Bible He has inspired. It is just a matter of perspective and of understanding. I say we humans are perfectly fit to imagine and envision everything and every aspect of God to extremes. Most human being have simply wasted their imaginations on silly nonsense and have damaged their imagination, and of course the process starts in teaching children worthless imaginary ideas. The Bible is very informative but still it is only a limited starting point, as we must grow out of the Bible and go far beyond the Bible if we each want to view reality and find the higher truths and to touch God. You are saying that the physical reality is below God, and my finding is that the physical reality is above God, because God created it that way as it being God's over extension of Him self. As such you see it as "limiting" while in fact it is broadening God into our own level, and rightly so. Perspective does not change reality, but perspective does explain and enlighten both reality and God.
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