American charade.

[JP Cusick]

The so called "bomber" Amine El Khalifi, 29, is said to have plotted to attack the U.S. Capital - which is a bunch of nonsense based on our American self serving paranoid fear.

Mr Khalifi did not have any explosives and he did not even have a gun, and he had no capacity to get such things, so the F.B.I. supplied the man with a vest that had fake explosives and the F.B.I. gave him a fake gun and then they proceeded to arrest the man for an offense that could not have happened by that person.

"U.S. law enforcement officials said there never was any threat to the public. The explosives in the suicide vest and the gun he had been given by the FBI had been rendered inoperable and posed no danger to the public."
Read the text linked here = U.S. arrests suspect in Capitol suicide attack plot - Yahoo News

To call this as "entrapment" is not sufficient, because this was a charade and a dishonorable display by the F.B.I. who once was a proud agency.

The pitiful little man accused in this case did not have anything until the F.B.I. supplied and propped up every piece of evidence as they framed and entrapped another nobody for a non existent crime, and they call this foolishness as "Homeland Security".

This is a true embarrassment, and yet one must wonder as just who are they truly trying to deceive? and who is being frightened by such a charade? and why has our law enforcement sunken so low?

[bookworm]

If you were to hand me a gun and tell me to go shoot someone, would I be completely innocent if I decided to obey you? No, it would still be my decision to use the gun, and I could be criminally charged for shooting someone.
In this case, the FBI didn't even go as far as my example depicts. They handed the weapon to the guy, but they didn't tell him what to do. The guy was planning the whole scenario himself. How is that entrapment?

[JP Cusick]

Feb 18, 2012 23:58:36 GMT -5 bookworm said:

If you were to hand me a gun and tell me to go shoot someone, would I be completely innocent if I decided to obey you? No, it would still be my decision to use the gun, and I could be criminally charged for shooting someone.
In this case, the FBI didn't even go as far as my example depicts. They handed the weapon to the guy, but they didn't tell him what to do. The guy was planning the whole scenario himself. How is that entrapment?

I do not doubt that they will get a conviction against the Man, and then we will pay some $100,000 per year to house him in the Federal super max prison being treated like a dangerous criminal, but in reality the Man was a nobody who had no means by which to do anything.

So I say you are not correct - in that the F.B.I. surely did tell the Man what to do, and the planning was done by the FBI, as the scenario was orchestrated by the FBI, and this entrapment of a petty fool was done by the FBI.

This action does NOT make the USA into a safer Country, as all it accomplishes is to make us into a more paranoid society, and more unjust of a society.

I do not respect that action at all.

[Booze]

You think you're smarter then the FBi. You aren't.

[bookworm]

Feb 19, 2012 10:17:08 GMT -5 JP Cusick said:

Feb 18, 2012 23:58:36 GMT -5 bookworm said:

If you were to hand me a gun and tell me to go shoot someone, would I be completely innocent if I decided to obey you? No, it would still be my decision to use the gun, and I could be criminally charged for shooting someone.
In this case, the FBI didn't even go as far as my example depicts. They handed the weapon to the guy, but they didn't tell him what to do. The guy was planning the whole scenario himself. How is that entrapment?

I do not doubt that they will get a conviction against the Man, and then we will pay some $100,000 per year to house him in the Federal super max prison being treated like a dangerous criminal, but in reality the Man was a nobody who had no means by which to do anything.

And it is not very hard to go from "not having the means" to "finding the means." A person who is willing to commit a crime once he finds the means is a dangerous person.

So I say you are not correct - in that the F.B.I. surely did tell the Man what to do, and the planning was done by the FBI, as the scenario was orchestrated by the FBI, and this entrapment of a petty fool was done by the FBI.

But the article you yourself posted said that the man did the planning. What information do you have that the writers of the article did not have?

[JP Cusick]

Feb 20, 2012 16:51:32 GMT -5 @Booze said:

You think you're smarter then the FBi. You aren't.

Feb 20, 2012 22:03:45 GMT -5 bookworm said:

But the article you yourself posted said that the man did the planning. What information do you have that the writers of the article did not have?

It is not a matter of being "smarter" than the FBI or being better informed than the reporters, as this is a matter of interpretation and about knowing the character of human beings.

There are many people throughout the entire world who are either angry and powerless or foolish and susceptible, and many such people are here in our USA too. This guy Mr El Khalifi (according to the reports) was already a so called "illegal" immigrant and an Arab and a Muslim living in the hostile society of America (hostile to illegals, Arabs and to Muslims), so he already had many reasons to be disgruntled or angry or susceptible when the FBI offers him a chance for notoriety or vindication which he could not have had otherwise.

We know of other reports from the middle-East about innocent or foolish people being recruited as suicide bombers where the Terrorist groups supply the vest filled with explosives and then the foolish person goes out and does the deed, and of course they are told that they will get their 72 virgins in Heaven.

In this case the FBI did the exact same thing.

Link recruits HERE.

[Booze]

He'll spend his life in prison. thats how smart he is